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    Default What the Bible says about homosexuality.

    The Old Testament references to homosexuality are well known, and often discounted on the basis of the progress of revelation. This is erroneous since the OT assessment of the morality of homosexuality is restated in the New Testament, thus invalidating protestations that the OT references have been fulfilled.

    So . . . what does the New Testament say?

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    Specifically this passage discusses the morality of homosexual conduct by terming those who practice that conduct as unrighteous.

    Further it condemns both sides of the "AC-DC" (forgive me for this reference) equation. The "effeminate" referred to in the passage are simply the ones who play the girl. Both the "husband and the wife" will not inherit the kingdom of God. They stand outside the church and outside of the grace of God. (The original Greek is very explicit about the points I made in this paragraph)

    The relative morality of homosexuality is often discussed. Political correctness demands that the actual practice of homosexuality not be discussed for what it is in this evaluation. Discussions of homosexuality always begin with the p.c. caveat that homosexuals are no worse than the next fellow.

    The Scripture cuts past that and simply places homosexual conduct in its correct context.

    What is that context? Fornication; idol worship; adultery; theft; coveting; drunkeness; railers; and swindlers.

    Homosexuals are sinners just like everyone else. Their sin is specifically same sex sexual conduct. It equates to fornication and adultery. This is why homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom, i.e., they will not go to heaven at their deaths, because of their life rebellion against God.

    It pains me to say they are hell bound, but it needs said, so homosexuals (and the other sinners on the list - pretty much everybody - Have you ever "coveted"? Bet you have.) will know the jeopardy in which they stand, along with the other people on the list.

    Now for the up side. Homosexuality is a behavior, not a race, or a disease, or religion. Attempts to say otherwise are made by people who are selling something. /s (and tip of the hat to "the man in black", Princess Bride)

    Behaviors can be repented and forsaken. Homosexuals can be saved. Paul the apostle makes this point in the next verse after the passage quoted above.

    Verse 11: "And such were some of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justifed in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of God."

    I don't post these words because I feel above homosexuals. I frankly don't personally feel above anybody. I am a sinner who is saved by the grace of Jesus Christ entirely by His merits and power. Nothing by me. Only Him.

    So as a fellow traveler in this world of sin, I say to my homosexual friends and neighbors, "Jesus saves." and "Jesus frees." And you can go to heaven.

    What would you do in order to go to heaven? Quite simply, pray, that is, talk to God, and say, "Lord, I am a sinner. Please forgive me. Please give me eternal life. Help me out of my sin. I love you Lord. Amen."

    And God will take you, make you His forever, and begin you on the path to freedom.

    With love and prayer,

    Grant

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    Quote Originally Posted by infantryman11b View Post
    I'm glad I don't believe in religion.
    all the more reason for you to study it.

    now then. are we to stone the whores? not buy or sell on sunday? eye for an eye? maybe a nice human sacrifice (or do we just slaughter a sheep in the altar we built in the back yard)?

    i am not expert in regards to homosexuality. i confess i don't understand it, and honestly, there isn't much of a need to. different people do different things, most all of which is none of my business.

    i do think that there should be another commandment. live and let live.
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    Why do Christians care what the Bible says about homosexualty. when they (not all) don't care what it says about things like healing the sick, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, taking care of widows and orphans. "If your son asks for bread do you give him a stone"

    It is a very basic thing to take care of anothers needs when they need help, personally I don't think it will bankrupt this country to address the needs of the poor or our fellow man, in fact are we not told that God will bless us for doing such good works? As to sin, have we not been told that God will judge that Himself in his own good time?

    Also, using excuses like judging who is and who is not "worthy" of our help is no excuse to help no one at all.

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    Default Now that's an interesting question!

    Quote Originally Posted by skeez View Post
    ....now then. are we to stone the whores? not buy or sell on sunday? eye for an eye? maybe a nice human sacrifice (or do we just slaughter a sheep in the altar we built in the back yard)? ....
    It appears that the New Testament endorses the separation of church and state in the sense that the secular government rules in areas the church does not.

    Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities...." Also I Peter 2:13-15.

    The theocracy ended when Israel rejected it. It hasn't existed since Saul was crowned. So today believers are expected to obey the law of the land. Where the law of the land directly controverts the Scripture, they are to obey God, but to do it patiently and accepting the consequences.

    1 Peter 4:12-16 "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; 13 but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing; so that also at the revelation of His glory, you may rejoice with exultation. 14 If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 15 By no means let any of you suffer as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler; 16 but if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed, but in that name let him glorify God."

    Erm . . uh . . . I have a problem with the "patiently" part, and am working on that.

    We also note that the progress of revelation DOES apply to these commands you mentioned, since they are not restated in the New Testament and passed away with the theocracy. There is no indication that the Church attempted to do any of the things you alluded to in the first few centuries. Only as the Church became entangled in secular power did it lose its way for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariah View Post
    Why do Christians care what the Bible says about homosexualty. when they (not all) don't care what it says about things like healing the sick, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, taking care of widows and orphans. "If your son asks for bread do you give him a stone"

    It is a very basic thing to take care of anothers needs when they need help, personally I don't think it will bankrupt this country to address the needs of the poor or our fellow man, in fact are we not told that God will bless us for doing such good works? As to sin, have we not been told that God will judge that Himself in his own good time?

    Also, using excuses like judging who is and who is not "worthy" of our help is no excuse to help no one at all.

    guess you haven't heard about missionaries who travel the poorest nations of the world doing what you suggest. guess you haven't seen the food banks, and community works projects many churches are involved with as well as community outreach programs.

    i'm not a church goer, but i refuse to critisize others for the works they do as long as they are positive. tell you what. pick a church. any church. wander in on a sunday and tell them you are hungry. see what happens.
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    I was not critizing anybody's good works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by infantryman11b View Post
    I'm glad I don't believe in religion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zhNiGlogQ

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    [quote=Mariah;485603 It is a very basic thing to take care of anothers needs when they need help, personally I don't think it will bankrupt this country to address the needs of the poor or our fellow man, in fact are we not told that God will bless us for doing such good works? ]quote]
    Are we not as a country doing these things?
    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

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    Thank you Grant for the clarification on the scripture. It's common for people to try and justify their sins (myself included) but to try and claim that your a believer and that it's not a sin is foolish.

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